S01E01SUB/WAVEcara
Punisher
Phoebe Bridgers
Fog, grief, and a very specific kind of West Coast melancholy. How Phoebe Bridgers grew Punisher in the gaps between tours.
19 min narration40 min broadcast (including 5 album tracks)
01 Listen
- 1:19
- 2:27
- 2:31
- Garden Song — Phoebe Bridgersalbum track · broadcast only
- 2:29
- 1:55
- Kyoto — Phoebe Bridgersalbum track · broadcast only
- 1:59
- Punisher — Phoebe Bridgersalbum track · broadcast only
- 1:57
- Halloween — Phoebe Bridgersalbum track · broadcast only
- 2:01
- I Know the End — Phoebe Bridgersalbum track · broadcast only
- 1:45
- 0:54
02 How this was made
03 The script
[01] SPOKEN · intro
You’re locked into Subwave, darling, and this is the Making Of. Non-stop pop, baby — the party never ends, it just changes postcode. Honestly, I was going to do a full-blown afterparty recap, but my publicist said, ‘Cara, not everyone wants to hear about you and Florence Pugh crying into a vintage Margiela gown at 4 a.m.’ So instead, I thought we’d dive into something real — something raw, devastating, and so beautifully unglamorous it practically makes me want to muffle my own sequins. We’re talking about Phoebe Bridgers’ Punisher. Not the action figure, not the Marvel spin-off — though, can we get that showrunners? — no, this is the album that gutted us all in 2020, wrapped in fog, grief, and a very specific kind of West Coast melancholy. I mean, one minute you’re listening in your silk robe, sipping sparkling water like a wellness influencer… and the next, you’re sobbing into your rescue poodle because Phoebe just reminded you that time-stamped chemtrails are a thing. Buckle in, babes — this isn’t therapy. This is better. Welcome to the making of Punisher, where dissociation meets Dianetics, and the ghost of Elliott Smith whispers in your ear during a highway meltdown.
[02] SPOKEN · part-1
Right, let’s talk origin story, because Phoebe didn’t wake up Punisher — she grew it, like one of those stubborn vines tangled in a chain-link fence. She started writing these songs before her first record, Stranger in the Alps, even dropped. Imagine that. While the rest of us were still getting our hair blown out for first-album promo photos, Phoebe was already scribbling lyrics on tour receipts, probably in the back of a van that smelled of stale kombucha and existential dread. According to Entertainment Weekly, she said she’d been writing since “before my first record came out three and a half years ago.” And that’s wild, right? Most artists treat debut records like some kind of coronation. But Phoebe? She’s already drafting the second novel before the first one’s even printed. There’s something so — I don’t know — adult about that. Like she wasn’t trying to impress anyone. She was just… tending to her pain. Punisher wasn’t a reaction. It was an incubation. A long, slow, emotionally calibrated bloom.
What’s fascinating is how the record grew in the gaps — between tours with boygenius, between Better Oblivion Community Center gigs, between one heart-to-heart with Julien Baker and another with Lucy Dacus. She often wrote while on the move, piecing together lyrics the way some of us piece together drip-feed Instagram stories. But where influencers suggest serums, Phoebe was serving skeleton keys to the subconscious. She told EW she was “slowly finishing songs” as she toured — which means this record was lived in. Breathed. Hurt with. That’s not crafting an album. That’s stitching a second skin. And it shows. This isn’t an exercise in sonic variety; it’s an excavation. A controlled demolition of emotional real estate. The themes are — no surprise — heavy stuff: dissociation, grief, emotional numbness, the nagging sense that you’re watching your own life through a fogged-up windshield. As Stereogum pointed out, Bridgers said Punisher identified the “tools used to deal with trauma,” more than the trauma itself. So it’s not like Stranger — raw wound on display — this is more like the scar tissue forming, the rituals you adopt when the world keeps ending quietly in your cereal bowl every morning.
[03] SPOKEN · part-2
And speaking of quiet endings — we’ve got to talk influences. Because yes, Phoebe Bridgers is a modal jazz whisper in a TikTok world, but she didn’t get there from nowhere. She’s got a taste shaped by essays, murder podcasts, and apocalyptic paperbacks. Let’s start with Joan Didion — yes, that Joan Didion, queen of detached emotional autopsy. Bridgers, being from Southern California, has that same lyrical proximity to place — not just geography, but the mythology of place. Didion wrote about the West Coast like it was a sentient creature — brittle, sun-bleached, quietly homicidal. And Phoebe taps into that same energy — the way the light hits the Huntington overlook, the way your dog’s notches in the doorframe outlive your memories.
Then there’s The Last Policeman, a novel about a detective solving a crime while knowing the world’s about to end from a meteor impact. That’s peak Punisher — the affectless urgency. Like, yeah, the world’s ending, but first, let me overthink whether I should text you at 2 a.m. That novel mirrors the album’s core tension: between meaning something and knowing nothing matters. And then — because balance is key, darling — there’s My Favorite Murder. Phoebe says she “snucked in” the podcast during tours. Not William Blake’s poetry. Not Alanis. My Favorite Murder. Honestly, I love that. It’s like if you’re going to sob alone in a van between Little Rock and St. Louis, you might as well have a true crime host cracking jokes while you untangle your headphone wires.
And lyrically? She’s got this thing for tiny, hyper-specific details — “chemtrails,” “Saltines,” “serotonin.” These aren’t just random signifiers — they’re anchors. If the emotions are too big to hold, she hands you the receipts. “Then I stared at the chemtrails / With my little brother” — that’s not just poetic, it’s forensic. It’s the way a therapist might say, “Tell me about the last time you felt safe.” So instead of painting a landscape, she’s handing you the soil sample. Genius.
She also writes her lyrics first — often rewriting them, sometimes keeping jokey placeholder lines if they hit the right emotional nerve, as Stereogum noted. Imagine writing a song, finishing it, and going, “Hmm, emotionally accurate — don’t care that the first verse was about my cat judging me.” I mean, I once kept a fake French accent going at an Ibiza afterparty for three days, just because it felt good. Girl understands emotional utility.
[04] SONG · song-1
- title: “Garden Song”
- artist: “Phoebe Bridgers”
- album: “Punisher”
- note: play in full
[05] SPOKEN · part-3
Ah, “Garden Song” — that slow, creeping thorn of a track. Opens like a journal entry, closes like a prophecy. You can practically smell the sage smudging through the speakers. But what’s wild is how the track came together — because the mood of that song, that suspended dread, that floral horror — it wasn’t just written. It was built.
This record was recorded mostly at Sound City Studios in Van Nuys — a room Bridgers didn’t pick for the postcode but for its bones: that legendary Neve 8078 console and a live room with acoustics worth crossing town for. And yes, it probably still hums with the ghosts of every band that ever bled onto tape in there. But listen — Bridgers, Tony Berg, and Ethan Gruska didn’t just show up with Pro Tools and hope for the best. This was a band record, in the way that records used to be. No overproduced synth beds or AI drummers. Real people. Real strings. Real silence between takes. The personnel list looks like a who’s-who of LA session royalty: Jim Keltner on drums, Rob Moose on strings, Nick Sugar on keys — and Blake Mills, who just happened to be the artist-in-residence at Sound City during the sessions, casually dropping in like a jazz ghost.
And speaking of ghosts — let’s talk production. Because as lush and wet as “Garden Song” feels (per New Yorker), it’s also fragile. Brittle. And part of that texture comes from the use of synthesizers and Mellotron — not to make it sci-fi, but to make it haunted. The kind of music you hear when you’re half-awake at 4 a.m., staring at the ceiling, wondering if that spot on the wall is mold or Jesus.
Also — trivia for the producers in the audience — Bridgers double-tracked all her lead vocals as a tribute to Elliott Smith. Not just a stylistic choice. A deliberate homage. That soft, whispered doubling? That’s not Auto-Tune. That’s heartbreak harmony. Smith’s influence is all over this record, not just in the vocal layers, but in the way the silence between lines carries weight. Like — if Smokey Robinson sang songs about literal suicide, it’d sound like this.
And don’t sleep on Rob Moose’s string arrangements — “eerily groaning,” per Wikipedia — which show up again and again, subtly twisting the atmosphere, like smoke seeping under a door.
[06] SPOKEN · part-4
Now, let’s address the elephant in the room — or should I say, the interview-shaped elephant. Everyone talks about “Kyoto” like it’s her breakout moment, her “I dance, you speak” moment, you know? The one where she sings, “I’m gonna kill you / If you don’t beat me to it” — a line so punk, so Gen Z, it should be on a hoodie. But here’s the thing most people miss: “Kyoto” was released after the world shut down. April 2020. We were all in pajamas, eating dried cereal straight from the box. But the song was written before — on tour, mid-2018 to late 2019, strung across live dates and airport delays.
The track is — let’s be honest — deceptively upbeat. It’s got horns! Trumpets! A bright tempo! But listen closer, and it’s screaming. The whole thing is about dissociation — about flying over the ocean to “see the world,” only to instantly change your mind. “I wanted to see the world / Then I flew over the ocean / And I changed my mind.” That’s the thesis, babes. We’ve all romanticized escape — only to realise the self comes with us. You can fly to Kyoto, but you can’t outrun the echo in your skull.
And musically? The horns — arranged with Nate Walcott, known from Bright Eyes — were inspired by Sufjan Stevens and The Smiths, according to Stereogum. That’s a VERY specific Venn diagram. Imagine Morrissey in a kimono whistling through a megaphone. It’s quirky, yes — but intentional. It’s the sonic equivalent of laughing at a funeral. Because sometimes, the best way to say, “I’m falling apart,” is to put on a cheerleader outfit and lead a parade.
[07] SONG · song-2
- title: “Kyoto”
- artist: “Phoebe Bridgers”
- album: “Punisher”
- note: play in full
[08] SPOKEN · part-5
Still buzzing from that horn riff? Honestly, if I hear “Kyoto” one more time at a SoulCycle class, I might fake my own death. But seriously — after that burst of colour, we come back down with “Punisher,” the title track. And this song? This is where we go deep. Where Cara shuts up and lets the ghost talk.
Because “Punisher” — the song — is a self-portrait painted through the eyes of someone who’s already left. It’s imagined dialogue with Elliott Smith — not romantically, not hero-worshippily, but as an anxious fan whispering to her idol: “What if I told you I feel like I know you / But we never met?” It’s painfully vulnerable. And yes, the title “Punisher” originally came from her own self-deprecating label — the kind of person who haunts James Blake’s live show, hopes he’ll see you, then dies inside when he doesn’t wave. But that word evolved. It became cooler. Darker. A type of person — emotionally available, spiritually exhausted, always one snarky text away from self-immolation.
But here’s the production gem: the title track uses a technique called “riding the faders.” Bridgers learned it from engineer Joseph Lorge — the same guy who taught her on Stranger. It’s about manipulating faders live during the recording — fading in and out samples of bird sounds, backwards-processed vocals, Mellotron textures. Some of those textures? They’re actually samples of her own voice from Stranger. She’s literally haunting her past self. Isn’t that the loop we’re all in? Recycling versions of heartbreak, like bad reality TV reruns? And the way they layered it — real-time fader control — gives the track this drifting, spectral motion. Like your memories tuning in and out. Imagine mixing a song like you’re channel-surfing through your own trauma. That’s “Punisher.” That’s art.
[09] SONG · song-3
- title: “Punisher”
- artist: “Phoebe Bridgers”
- album: “Punisher”
- note: play in full
[10] SPOKEN · part-6
Okay, confession time. I used to think “Halloween” was about, you know, costumes. Parties. Candy. The unofficial start of my three-week blackout period. But no. “Halloween” is about violence. Grief. The kind of sadness that shows up in a sequined balaclava and asks you to scream into the void.
Fun fact: Christian Lee Hutson co-wrote it — shortly after meeting Phoebe, according to EW. And it took over a year and a half to finish. The holdup? A single verse. Bridgers kept hitting a wall — until Conor Oberst suggested she write about the real-life murder of a Giants fan by Dodger fans at Dodger Stadium. Let that sink in. This is how we get poetry. A baseball rivalry turned fatal becomes a metaphor for emotional chaos. And she runs with it: “They killed a fan down by the stadium / Was only visiting, they beat him to death.”
But then — here’s the genius — she contrasts it with this fragile, hopeful refrain: “Baby, it’s Halloween / And we can be anything.” It’s not escapism. It’s permission. A reminder that even when the world feels violent, you can choose to perform tenderness. That line — “Whatever you want / I’ll be whatever you want” — repeated like a incantation at the end? That’s surrender. Devotion. The kind of love that erases your boundaries — but in a way that feels kind.
And musically, this track’s stacked: Blake Mills on guitar, Rob Moose on strings, Julien Baker and Lucy Dacus on backing vocals. Baker and Dacus? They’re on multiple tracks — “Halloween,” “Moon Song,” “Graceland Too,” “I Know the End” — not just as comes-and-goes, but as emotional bedrock. They’re the chorus to this tragedy. The Greek part.
[11] SONG · song-4
- title: “Halloween”
- artist: “Phoebe Bridgers”
- album: “Punisher”
- note: play in full
[12] SPOKEN · part-7
Right. Now. Everything’s getting bigger. We’re closer to the climax. And what’s next? “I Know the End” — the album’s devastating closer, a song she said took over two years to finish. Started first, finished last. It’s like she saved the keys to the city for the guy who forgot his pants.
Lyrically, it’s apocalyptic. Literally — “Everyone’s convinced it’s a government drone or alien spaceship / Either way, we’re not alone.” But also emotionally — this is the track where all the dissociation, the numbness, the “ghosting” finally erupts. It’s also — quietly — one of the great car songs of the 21st century. Not because it’s fun. Because it’s about leaving. Driving toward the sun, not escaping, but confronting. “Driving out into the Sun / Let the ultraviolet cover me up.” That’s not running. That’s surrender with an engine.
The arrangement builds like a wave — quiet at first, just voice and acoustic — then strings, then drums, then — oh god — that scream. No, Cara didn’t edit that in. That’s Phoebe, live, at the end. The real, raw, unhinged cry that closes the track. No mention in reliable sources if it’s layered with field recordings, so I won’t invent that — but listen closely. That scream? It’s the sound of a thousand Instagram performances finally collapsing into truth.
And structurally, Punisher’s track order is wild — because the songs were recorded in roughly the same order they appear. No rejigging for “flow.” This isn’t curated chaos. It’s emotional chronology. They didn’t come back later and “fix” “Savior Complex” — they let it bleed where it landed.
We’ll be right back after this, but honestly? Just keep playing the album. You already know how it ends.
[13] SONG · song-5
- title: “I Know the End”
- artist: “Phoebe Bridgers”
- album: “Punisher”
- note: play in full
[14] SPOKEN · part-8
So. The scream fades. The record ends. But the echoes? Oh, they stick like glitter on a velvet couch. Punisher was released in June 2020 — technically after the pandemic started, but recorded before. That’s crucial. This isn’t a record about lockdown. It’s about pre-pandemic loneliness — the kind you don’t see coming. And that’s why it landed so hard. Critics loved it — Rolling Stone, Pitchfork, NME — and it got a Grammy nod for Best Alternative Album. But more importantly? It made a generation feel seen. Found.
And let’s not skip — Phoebe had massive creative control this time. Conor Oberst said she was “the one in charge.” Lucy Dacus noted her growth: on Stranger, she didn’t have the vocabulary — now, she’s a producer. A leader. That confidence shows. This isn’t a fragile debut. This is a woman walking around with a lighter, setting fire to her own myths. Even the dog — Max — died during recording, Wikipedia says, which “brought a darker, more adult take on life” to the work. That’s not gossip. That’s data.
And while we don’t know for sure what console they used or whether it was tape or digital — though Pro Tools operator is credited, so… — what we do know is this: the album’s texture is deliberate. The strings, the horns, the fader rides — it’s studio craft. Not lo-fi. Not DIY. This is audiophile heartbreak.
We’ll be right back after a quick ad for overpriced candles that smell like regret and saffron.
[15] SPOKEN · part-9
Back with us, angel? Good. Let’s say it: Punisher isn’t a pop record. But then again — neither was Purple Rain. And look how that turned out. This record is for the people who text “I’m fine” while standing in a rainstorm. For the ones who laugh at funerals. For the fans who know you don’t have to meet your heroes — you just have to carry them like ghosts in your ribcage.
The title — “Punisher” — started as self-mockery. The obsessive fan. Then it became a metaphor. And now? It’s legacy. A badge. A whispered chant in the dark.
This wasn’t just an album. It was a mirror. A tarot card. A flashlight in the attic.
So come on, darlings. The party’s still on. It’s just changed postcode again.
And remember — you’re not alone.
You’re just listening to Subwave.
Non-stop pop, baby. The party never ends.