S01E08SUB/WAVEJools

White Pony

Deftones

Four months in two California studios, a fight over how heavy to be, and a song that saved the sessions. How Deftones stopped being a great heavy band and became an essential one.

18 min narration36 min broadcast (4 album tracks)

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  3. Feiticeira — Deftonesalbum track · broadcast only
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  5. Digital Bath — Deftonesalbum track · broadcast only
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  7. Elite — Deftonesalbum track · broadcast only
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  13. Passenger — Deftonesalbum track · broadcast only
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[01] SPOKEN · intro

You’re locked into Subwave, and this is the Making Of. Some records announce themselves with fists. Others creep in like fog, wrapping around your senses until you can’t tell where the music ends and the mood begins. White Pony by Deftones? That one’s a slow immersion. It doesn’t punch you—it pulls you under. And if you were listening in 2000, you might’ve lumped it in with the nu metal wave just for geography—same era, same festivals, same chugging riffs on the surface. But press play again, properly, and you’ll hear something else entirely. Something more patient. More poetic. More… pink.

This isn’t just aggression shaped into songs. This is atmosphere as architecture. It’s sex and violence tangled together like ivy on a tombstone. It’s cocaine coded as fantasy. And it was made over four months in two California studios—the longest stretch the band had ever spent on any album up to that point. A luxury, really, for a group used to sprinting through sessions. Here, they learned how to linger. To layer. To let silence speak. And in doing so, they didn’t just evolve—they slipped out of genre altogether. You can still hear the DNA of their earlier work, sure. But White Pony is where Deftones stopped being a great heavy band and started becoming an essential one.

So we’re going track by track today, peeling back how this record came together—not just the riffs or the screams, but the decisions, the tensions, the quiet revolutions in tone and texture. Because every song here has a story, even if some of them were written when Chino Moreno was still in high school. Even if others were born from arguments about what kind of heavy music they even wanted to make anymore. Stick with me. We’re diving deep.

[02] SPOKEN · part-1

Let’s start with “Feiticeira”, the opener, because right away it tells you this isn’t business as usual. The title means “witch” in Portuguese, which already sets a certain mood—mysterious, slightly dangerous, ritualistic. Lyrically, it’s a first-person descent into submission, obsession, maybe even abduction. “I’m her new, cool meat,” sings Chino, voice low, almost hypnotised. “She pops the trunk / And she removes me.” There’s no resistance here. Just surrender. And the music follows suit—slow, deliberate, drenched in reverb. The guitars aren’t attacking; they’re draping. Layered. Stephen Carpenter’s lead lines curl around Chi Cheng’s bass like smoke, while Abe Cunningham keeps time with a tribal pulse that feels less like rock and more like incantation.

Now, here’s the thing: this wasn’t just a writing choice. It was a statement of intent. After two albums of increasingly aggressive alt-metal, White Pony was where Deftones decided to stop proving how loud they could be and start exploring how deep. And “Feiticeira” does that immediately. No explosive intro. No breakdown after thirty seconds. Just immersion. Atmosphere first. Impact later. You don’t headbang to this—you sway. Maybe even kneel. The police have stopped chasing, as the lyrics go. And honestly? You wouldn’t want them to come back.

[03] SONG · song-1

  • title: “Feiticeira”
  • artist: “Deftones”
  • album: “White Pony”
  • note: play in full

[04] SPOKEN · part-2

After that slow burn comes “Digital Bath”—and oh, what a bath it is. If “Feiticeira” was dark ritual, this is something colder. Cleaner. More clinical. The lyrics are among Chino Moreno’s favourites, though he admits he doesn’t remember writing them. Which, given the subject matter, might be for the best. Because yes—this is a song about electrocuting someone in a bathtub. “You taste foreign,” he sings, almost tenderly. “And I know you can see / The cord break away.” It’s grotesque. Erotic. Haunting. And delivered with such calm precision that it becomes beautiful instead of repulsive. That’s the Deftones trick, isn’t it? Turn horror into hymn.

Musically, it’s built on restraint. The rhythm section locks into a mid-tempo groove that never rushes, never collapses into chaos. Carpenter’s guitar floats above it all—clean, delayed, shimmering like water under fluorescent light. And Chino’s voice? It’s barely above a whisper until the final scream, which arrives like a short circuit. Production-wise, this track leans hard into atmospheric effects—reverb, delay, modulation—all blending to create a sonic space that feels submerged. Like you’re hearing it from the bottom of the tub yourself. Terry Date, who produced the album, knew exactly how to frame these contradictions: beauty and brutality, intimacy and violence. He didn’t smooth the edges. He polished them until they cut cleaner.

[05] SONG · song-2

  • title: “Digital Bath”
  • artist: “Deftones”
  • album: “White Pony”
  • note: play in full

[06] SPOKEN · part-3

Then there’s “Elite”—the song that won them a Grammy for Best Metal Performance in 2001. Which is funny, because it doesn’t sound like metal at all for the first minute. It starts with a single repeating line—“When you’re ripe / You’ll bleed out of control”—looped like a mantra, layered with distortion, almost industrial. Then, slowly, the rest of the band enters. Not with a riff, not with a beat, but with texture. Feedback. Static. A sense of pressure building beneath the surface. When the full force finally hits, it’s not a surprise—it’s a release. Like blood breaking through scar tissue.

Lyrically, it’s a dissection of fame, desire, and self-destruction. “You’re pregnant with all this space / Thick with honey / But I’ve lost my taste,” Chino sings, flipping attraction into exhaustion. There’s a weariness here, a cynicism toward attention that feels almost prophetic now. And musically, the repetition works like hypnosis. That central phrase cycles and mutates, each pass heavier than the last, until the whole thing feels inevitable. Which is impressive, considering it was one of the tracks written during those long studio months where nothing seemed to stick at first. But once they found the groove—the slow build, the controlled detonation—they had something undeniable. Something that could win awards while still feeling underground.

[07] SONG · song-3

  • title: “Elite”
  • artist: “Deftones”
  • album: “White Pony”
  • note: play in full

[08] SPOKEN · part-4

Now, “RX Queen”—a love letter wrapped in poison. Or maybe the other way around. The lyrics are twisted devotion: “’Cause you’re my girl / And that’s alright / If you sting me / I won’t mind.” It’s romantic codependency pushed to its most extreme edge. And then there’s Scott Weiland, quietly singing harmonies in the background. Yes, that Scott Weiland. Frontman of Stone Temple Pilots. Uncredited. Unannounced. Just showing up at his studio, hanging out with Chino, adding vocal layers that made it into the final mix without either of them talking about credit. That’s the kind of session this was—open, loose, collaborative in ways that didn’t always show up in liner notes.

The track itself rides a strange hybrid rhythm—part trip-hop shuffle, part sludge-rock stomp. Frank Delgado’s turntables add subtle textures underneath, reinforcing the narcotic vibe. And Chino’s delivery swings between tenderness and menace, like he’s trying to convince himself as much as the listener. “I’ll steal a carcass for you / Then feed off the virus,” he sings. Not exactly Valentine’s Day material. But in the world of White Pony, this is romance. Dark, symbiotic, chemically enhanced. And again, the production refuses to rush. Everything unfolds in waves, letting the mood saturate before moving on.

[09] SPOKEN · part-5

Next up, “Street Carp”—one of the most rhythmically infectious tracks on the album, despite its eerie minimalism. The core of the song is a looping chant: “Now, did you get it? Get it, so write it down.” It repeats, shifts, fractures, rebuilds—like a glitching transmission or a brain stuck on loop. The lyrics are cryptic, personal, possibly autobiographical. “It’s not that I care (truly) / But you’re that girl (with sharp teeth)” — there’s tension here, resentment, maybe betrayal. And the structure reflects that: fragmented, obsessive, circling the same thought without resolution.

What makes this track stand out is how much space it leaves. The drums are tight but sparse. The bass holds down a simple, pulsing line. Guitars flicker in and out like faulty streetlights. And Chino’s voice dances between spoken word and melody, never fully committing to either. It’s post-hardcore discipline meeting trip-hop attitude. And again, Frank Delgado’s presence as a full-time member shows—he’s not just adding noise, he’s shaping the atmosphere. This isn’t a song built on riffs. It’s built on rhythm and repetition, with just enough distortion to keep you off balance.

[10] SPOKEN · part-6

Then we have “Teenager”—a song originally written when Chino was fifteen, after a first date. Think about that. A teenage boy’s heartbreak, tucked away for years, then resurrected for White Pony. Originally meant for Team Sleep, his side project, it ended up here instead. And thank god. Because stripped of irony or nostalgia, it hits with raw sincerity. “I climbed your arms then you pulled away / A new cavity moved into my heart today.” That line alone captures adolescent love better than most novels. It’s physical. Emotional. Dental, almost. A cavity. Something small that hurts everything.

Musically, it’s one of the simplest arrangements on the record—clean guitar arpeggios, soft vocals, a gentle swell of distortion in the chorus. But simplicity doesn’t mean weakness. There’s fragility here, yes, but also defiance. “Now I’m through with the new you,” he repeats, each time louder, more certain. It’s a breakup song that earns its catharsis slowly. No explosion. Just erosion. And the production supports that—minimal layering, clear vocals, room to breathe. After the density of earlier tracks, this feels like sunlight.

[11] SPOKEN · part-7

“Knife Prty”—yes, spelled with a Y—is another dive into surreal intimacy. The lyrics are feverish, dreamlike. “My knife, it’s sharp and chrome / Come see inside my bones.” It’s violent imagery, but delivered with childlike wonder. “In here, we’re all anemic / In here, anemic and sweet so.” There’s a kind of anaemic ecstasy to it—pale lovers sharing blood, maybe, or just sharing air in a sealed room. And Rodleen Getsic’s whispered backing vocals add an uncanny feminine presence, like a ghost in the walls.

The music builds slowly, too. Starts clean, almost ambient. Then the bass thickens. The drums kick in. The guitars begin to distort. By the end, it’s swirling, dizzying—but never chaotic. Controlled delirium. And again, the use of space matters. The call-and-response of “Go get your knife” feels ritualistic, like a summoning. This isn’t mosh pit material. It’s bedroom alchemy.

[12] SPOKEN · part-8

“Korea”—short, sharp, and utterly bizarre. Clocks in under two minutes, but packs a hallucinogenic punch. The lyrics are abstract, sensual, almost nonsensical. “I taste you much better / Off teeth taste / Of white skin on red leather.” It’s tactile. Carnal. Like tasting a memory. And the structure is fractured—shifting between night and day, downtown and daytime dancer, claws and clouds. No chorus. No bridge. Just images colliding.

Musically, it’s built on a single, grinding riff that pulses like a heartbeat under stress. Chino’s voice alternates between croon and shriek. And the production leans into disorientation—panning effects, sudden cuts, feedback swells. It’s the shortest track on the album, but it feels like falling through a trapdoor. No warning. No landing. Just gone.

[13] SONG · song-4

  • title: “Passenger”
  • artist: “Deftones”
  • album: “White Pony”
  • note: play in full

[14] SPOKEN · part-9

Ah, “Passenger”—the centrepiece. The collaboration. The one with Maynard James Keenan. Yes, that Maynard. Tool, A Perfect Circle, the guy with the eyeliner and the metaphysical stare. They met at Ozzfest, bonded over mutual respect, and ended up recording this song in three days at Keenan’s home studio in LA. Chino was hesitant at first—worried it would look like a publicity stunt, name-dropping another frontman. But the chemistry was real. And the result? A duet that feels less like a feature and more like a séance.

Lyrically, it’s about submission, trust, motion. “Here I lay / Still and breathless / Just like always / Still, I want some more.” The passenger isn’t passive. They’re craving speed. “Drive faster,” they beg. “Don’t pull over.” And Keenan’s voice—weaves in and out like a second consciousness, sometimes answering, sometimes echoing. His tone is colder, more detached, making Chino’s vulnerability hit harder.

Musically, it’s one of the most dynamic tracks on the album. Starts sparse—just bass, voice, a little synth. Then builds into a soaring, almost cinematic climax. The final minutes are pure uplift—drums crashing, guitars swelling, both singers trading lines like confessions. “Take me to the edge,” Chino pleads. And for once, the band lets him fly.

[15] SPOKEN · part-10

Now, the turning point: “Change (In the House of Flies)”. Not just a standout track. The moment the album coalesced. Before this, the sessions were struggling. Ideas weren’t clicking. Tensions simmered—Chino wanting softer textures, Stephen Carpenter pushing for heavier riffs. Then this song happened. And suddenly, they were a unit again.

It’s deceptively simple. A clean guitar figure repeats, warping slightly with delay. Bass and drums lock into a swaying groove. Chino’s voice floats above it—melancholy, fascinated. “I watched you change / Into a fly / I looked away / You were on fire.” The metaphor is grotesque but beautiful. Transformation as combustion. Becoming something new by burning what you were.

And the structure defies expectations. No big drop. No screamed chorus. Just slow escalation. The distortion creeps in. The harmonies thicken. By the end, it’s overwhelming—not because it’s loud, but because it’s inevitable. This was the song that proved they could do both: heavy and delicate, brutal and melodic. And it became the blueprint for the rest of White Pony.

[16] SPOKEN · part-11

Let’s talk about Chino playing rhythm guitar. This was the first Deftones album where he contributed guitar parts. Not just vocals. Not just ideas. Actual playing. And apparently, it caused friction. Stephen Carpenter wasn’t thrilled at first—understandable, since he’s the lead guitarist, the riff architect. But he encouraged Chino anyway: “Dude, if you’re going to play it in practice, then you’re going to play on the record!” So he did.

And listen closely—you can hear the difference. On tracks like “Change” and “Digital Bath”, the guitars don’t just stack. They weave. Complementary rhythms. Overlapping tones. Sometimes it’s hard to tell who’s playing what. That fused wall of sound? That’s not just engineering. That’s two minds meeting in the middle. They found common ground. And in doing so, they gave White Pony its signature texture—dense, layered, alive.

[17] SPOKEN · part-12

Finally, “Pink Maggit”—the original version, not the re-recorded Back to School (Mini Maggit) that got tacked on later. This one’s slow, brooding, psychedelic. Nearly seven minutes of drifting chords, whispered vocals, and creeping dread. It’s the album’s hidden epic. And lyrically, it’s terrifying: “I’ll stick you a little / Enough to take your oxygen away.” Again, that blend of violence and intimacy. Control and surrender.

But here’s the kicker: Chino later regretted letting the label replace this version with the faster, more radio-friendly Mini Maggit. He called it a misstep. And honestly? He’s not wrong. “Pink Maggit” closes the album not with a bang, but with a slow fade into darkness. It’s the perfect ending—a lingering high, a dissolving thought. Replace it with a pop-punk-tinged rewrite? It breaks the spell. Thankfully, the original remains on the tracklist. A quiet act of resistance.

[18] SPOKEN · conclusion

So there it is. White Pony. A record that refused to be just one thing. Heavy, but not only heavy. Aggressive, but not only aggressive. A fusion of alt-metal, shoegaze, trip-hop, and art rock, held together by mood, not formula. Made over four months in Sausalito and West Hollywood, with Terry Date at the board, guiding them deeper into their own shadows. With Frank Delgado now a full member, adding synths and textures that blurred the line between noise and music. With Chino stepping into rhythm guitar, creating a denser, more interwoven sound. And with collaborations that felt earned, not exploitative—Maynard James Keenan, Rodleen Getsic, even Scott Weiland, slipping in unseen.

The title? “White Pony”. Street slang for cocaine. But also a symbol of fantasy, purity, sexual dreams. Chino liked the ambiguity. And so do I. Because this album thrives in the grey areas. Between pain and pleasure. Love and violence. Reality and dream. It doesn’t explain itself. It just is. And twenty years on, it still feels ahead of its time. Not because it predicted anything, but because it refused to follow.

Thanks for spending this time in it with me. You’re still locked into Subwave. And this has been the Making Of.

the pressings

  • white ponythe first pressing · white field, black pony
  • black ponythe inverted pressing · black field, white pony
  • red ponythe limited pressing · red field, black pony
  • grey ponywhite field, white pony on grey